Saturday, July 29, 2006

Hot air- the 87th District GOP debate

As I did with the live radio debate on WBCH, I offer to you my take on the recent forum for the 87th District State Rep. GOP primary inside the sweltering Thomas Jefferson Hall in Hastings on July 27, 2006. I figure I might as well start at one end of the table as they appeared that night and work my way down.

Mark Doster — I know some people disliked Doster’s appearance, considering he wasn’t even there to ask for anyone’s vote, but I felt different. While it was bothersome Doster took up valuable time in the forum if, as he even admitted, he’s not in the race to win, I was glad he showed up because at times he gave interesting perspectives and offered a sharp contrast between himself and the other candidates. Doster even had a “Jimmy Stewart moment” or two, especially when discussing the effects of poverty and lack of education and how it results in crime and a continued cycle of social neglect. If Doster really was in this race, I’d have to consider giving him my vote just for his understanding that the education system is a key ingredient in which we need a level playing field where we try to give each student the same tools to function in this society. To maintain our democracy, we must continue to fund this essential element. Too many of the other candidates fail to grasp this basic concept. Which brings us, most notably, to...

Tom Lower — While I found myself actually liking his understanding of the need for regulating farms as well as some statements on other issues, it was the cringe-inducing moments that lost me, like the several occassions when Lower cribbed his answers from the right-wing Mackinac Center and suggesting he supported “life from the moment of conception to natural death.” While I don’t argue anyone’s genuine belief in any particular faith, I have to wonder exactly where the rubber meets the road when a candidate says stuff like this. Obviously he means that he is against abortion and euthanasia, but also I would imagine Lower not supporting use of tax dollars to fund research using embryonic stem cells. Lower was but one of the people continually talking about “high taxes” and a bad business climate in Michigan while ignoring the fact that if Michigan continues to impose restrictions on medical and scientific research our economy can’t expect to see much improvement or advancement in the health sciences sectors the governor has been courting for the last few years. It’s another sign that a large number of Republicans wish to impose their own views of life and death on other citizens in his democracy as we saw when the national GOP shed all illusions of “natural death” when it sought to artificially extend the “life” of Terri Schiavo, a women who had been in a vegatative state for years and whom an autopsy confirmed had ceased any real kind of natural state of living many years ago when her brain filled with spinal fluid. The real gem came when Lower was challenged on his assertions in favor of private school vouchers. Though Hastings Banner editor David T. Young was rather boorish in his calling Lower on his ignorance, Lower was obviously shaken when confronted on his specious arguments in favor of public money for private schools. Indeed, as Young argued the reason private schools cost lesss per pupil to educate kids is that they can refuse special needs children, recent immigrants who can’t speak English, and others who require special attention. Also, private schools also don’t need to maintain the amount of facilities that public schools do since they don’t offer the same programs, and because of their smaller size, many private schools don’t need much in the way of administration which is often where bloated salaries can start to have an effect on the budget. Even more disturbing to me, was how many people I’ve talked to since that were impressed by Lower’s appearance. Maybe Calley doesn’t have the “lock” on Ionia some people have indicated here and elsewhere. After all, a certain amount of the local GOP primary vote is actually looking for a guy who thinks the way Lower does- let's hope they are a minority or they split their vote among the several wingnut candidates vying for this seat.

Brian Calley — He had a good performance and that was all I'm sure he thought he really needed — to not stumble or say something so horribly wrong as to cause a meltdown of his campaign — but Calley left the contest a bit more bruised and battered than before. Lower and Wade Trombley had a good tag team effort that seemed to take the perceived “front runner” down a peg or two. At times it was almost hard to see Calley sitting there but some of that may have come from being sandwiched between two of the larger people at the table or perhaps he was trying to avoid being noticed so as to not draw any more fire from his opponents. Calley also suffered from an unfortunate tendancy to “filibuster” and use each question to tackle a dozen issues, though in this regard he wasn’t as insufferable as Susan Vlietstra. And while Calley certainly gave some good answers — I think his answer on 911 was the best of the night because he noted that even if a State Rep can't legislate a solution to a problem he can at least play a role in getting both sides to come to the table— he also gave some horrible ones. Calley seems intent on killing the DEQ and was scornful of the need to regulate corporate farm pollution (his rather insane notion that pollution is economically unsound is a bit silly when you consider that it’s always cheaper to throw garbage in the ditch than it is to dispose of it properly- just ask anyone who has old tires or engine oil they need to dispose of). But he followed the Farm Bureau company line wonderfully and no doubt earned a treat from his masters in trying to claim he was looking out for small farmers when it’s the large corporate farms who have him at the end of their tight leash. Calley came off as a bit bothered that he was being challenged on all his PAC endorsements and his tactic to “take the high road” was a transparent attempt to deflect criticism of his big money backers as ”negative campaigning.” Lower even shoved the knife deep when he pointed out that Calley’s endorsements have come chiefly as a result of his loans to himself, which give the perception he has raised a lot of money, which helps fuel the perception of a winner, a bit like a bird who puffs up his chest to scare off the other birds.

Jim Bailey — At times Bailey seemed to be genuinely apologetic in the way he handled himself as County Board chair and came across as a sensible choice, but then at other times he came off as a typical right wing GOP loon. He endorsed the unpopular school voucher scheme rejected by Michigan voters just a few years ago, he seeemed intent on cutting taxes beyond the pale which is one reason Michigan is in the financial mess it’s in now. As Brian Reynolds correctly pointed out, quality of life is a big issue to companies relocating to other states and often plays bigger role than the base tax rate. Bailey’s continued attempts at convincing the audience of his notion that all Michigan needed was to lower our taxes even more was similar to a medieval doctor who sees the symptoms the patient has and prescibes a “cure” that will only kill the patient.

Wade Trombley — I just can’t understand why Wade considers himself a serious candidate in this race. Without some more meat on the bones of his campaign, he can’t ride this whole “I’m not a politician” schtick to Lansing. I’m not even sure it’s enough to get him home from Grandville. As with the others, I cannot support any politician who wishes to rob public education to set up a parallel system of private school madrassas which seek to educate kids about stuff they can easily learn at Sunday school. Michigan voters said loudly they saw the voucher system was a way for state Republicans to kill the teachers’ union (who just so happen to be a fairly reliable base of support for Democrats) and for religious fundamentalists to counteract the evil effects of a liberally biased education system which dares to teach children about evolution or that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Unless a new argument is drafted or opinion polls sway dramatically, this discussion is pretty much over. The most troubling thing about Wade is that despite his perpetual claim of not being a politician, he continually acts and sounds like one. In his Battle Creek Enquirer interview, Trombley stated "None of the other candidates have a clue what it means to make payroll and what it takes to make a business succeed," ignoring Brian Reynolds, who owns a local surveying company — part of a weird pattern where Wade seems distinctly focused on belittling or downright ignoring the Reynolds campaign. Even in his answer on why he ran, Wade ignores that Reynolds was already in the race and as anyone who has seem him can attest, Reynolds can certainly fill the bill as an atypical politician.

Susan Vliestra — At times, Vlietstra came off as intelligent, serious and credible but at other times she seemed to “green” and rambled on her answers in an unfocused way that would often seem to contradict her original statement. While Vlietstra did a good job on many questions (her handling of Fred Jacobs’ questioning of her campaign issues as listed on her original web site was succinct and damning, as it showed that whoever wrote that question probably had their opinion formed by reading my original criticism of her campaign when the filing deadline passed and had not visited it since or perhaps not even looked at it at all). Should Vlietstra be able to shorten her answers a bit and polish her resume a tad more, she could seriously contend for this seat down the road. And as one of those who has reasons to loathe Debbie Smith, I note that Vlietstra would surely make an excellent County Clerk and shouldn't wait for a retirement and the likely anointment that might alienate her from voters.

Brian Reynolds — As anyone who has been here before knows, I’ve already voiced my support for his campaign (and some of you supporting other candidates are no doubt sick of hearing it). Like the Lansing State Journal in their endorsement of Reynolds, I see Brian as the one guy who will go to Lansing with new ideas and new answers and who won’t be taken hostage by the various factions that seem to replace local citizens with pod people who do the bidding of the big money power brokers and get government to jump through hoops to further their agenda while ignoring the people who sent them there. We had this for six years with Gary Newell and it’s time for a change. That said, I was a bit disappointed that the Brian I’ve met face to face never seems to show up in these public forums. As anyone who has met him can attest, Reynolds is a vibrant personality with an infectious laugh who knows Michigan political history as well as anyone and who has a fierce passion in trying to improve government and make it work for people. Alas, what we saw on display was a Reynolds who perhaps wanted to set himself apart with short and sweet answers that after the night wore on only helped to give more time to others to ramble on at length. Reynolds impressed me the most as someone to support for his answer on the SBT. As I said before, the tax structure of Michigan is in the middle of states around us and is NOT a major factor in our current economic woes. As Reynolds correctly stated, should Michigan keep cutting taxes, we will end up being like Arkansas, unable to bring new business because no one wants to live here. The recent location of Google to Ann Arbor shows that liveable cities with highly educated workers and walkable streets with low crime are the biggest incentive to the businesses this state needs to attract to flourish. In fact, Ann Arbor’s high tax rate entirely disproves the notions advanced by candidates like Jim Bailey and his Citizens for Tax Reform agenda. We need someone like Reynolds who understands this. And, like the Lansing State Journal editorial board, I may not agree with all of Reynolds’ proposed solutions, but he’s the one I trust most to fix the problem and not be a part of the problem.

Having heard from all the candidates during two forums and having reviewed the campaigns, I think the voters of this district should take their best deal and vote for Brian Reynolds.

That's my opinion, now feel free to offer yours by joining the discussion in the comments section...

19 comments:

sentinel said...

Its a good thing the rep position is a part time job, otherwise, Calley might have to choose job vs kiddie. Same could be said of Vliestra. Pol, I think you give Vliestra too much credit. Her responses at the unicam forum made he sound like a space cadet. On the radio debate, she offered no solutions. We all know what the problems are and all of the candidates with the exception of Reynolds have offered NO solutions.

Freddie missed the boat by not nailing these wannabees to an answer on the SBT. If Calley thinks he can jam tax reform thru as a makeup to the 2 billion lost with repeal of the SBT in his freshman year, he is badly mistaken. Hello folks, the SBT is sunsetted anyways. Why not let it die its appropriate death but begin NOW to reform the state tax laws? Besides, on the first of the year, without a repeal of the SBT, the state will be another 2billion in the hole. Add another 2B with the SBT repeal, and they would have to come up with 4B in program cuts. And Bailey wants to cut taxes on top of that? Does he not know that the state cannot run a budget deficit? I hope voters see through Bailey's charade as he panders to the masses on tax cuts which will never materialize. Sort of like his moral stand against gambling but wants control of the casino money.

I'm sorry, but aside from Reynolds, and possibly Trombley, these candidates are disgustingly like useless/ brainless Newell. A bunch of fence sitters with not one original idea between them.

And Calley, if you are peeking in, I would like to know where you stood on the failed ballot petition which defined life beginning at conception. Lower tried to lure you into a comment at the forum, but you didnt take the bait. Fess up?

Jay said...

Sentinel:
You're giving Wade too much credit. Wade starts off talking about the ideals of the Jeffersonian model, but quickly goes into uber-politician mode with his stances. Pol was right on the mark about his forum performance. Wading through Wade's materials, I don't think he's versed enough to tackle any of the pressing state issues (taxes, economy,environment, schools). Reynolds won this hands down (though a bit slow out of the gate).

Jay said...

Wade: I guess there's no accounting for taste. ;)
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Got a tape and question log (22 questions--oy) of the Ionia forum from my Ionia person. Reynolds had to leave early because he was ill. Interesting positions on medical marajuana, especially from King Jim (in favor). They limited statements to aprox a minute each...made it go somewhat quickly. Will have more later when I have time to digest it all.

P.S. Wade--more like 25 people, subtract the campaign folk it was like 17.

truthfulpat said...

Just recieved Susan's mailer. It has to be the most disgusting piece of bull crap in years.

Susan wants to repeal and reduce taxes while she promised to increase services at every level...except education...For a woman with a degree she seems to have a paucity of ability in simple math. If you want more road money...someone has to pay for it...if you want to eliminate unfunded mandates from the State, there has to be tax money from the State to pay for it...
For heaven's sake Susan, don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Jay said...

Pat:
Being fair, Susan doesn't say she wants to spend more, just that areas like ours should get a more balanced share of funds and Detroit doesn't gobble it all up. The State (Calley and Reynolds have also touched on this) has come dangerously close to violating the Headlee amendment of the constitution which states that the State fund requirements placed upon the municipalities. Too often Lansing isssues I.O.Us to twps and cities and they rarely make any of them up.

And here's another option you overlooked--cut spending. Going over my tape & notes from Ionia, both Susan and Calley have not signed a "no tax" pledge, Trombley, Bailey and Lower have. Of Susan and Calley's materials, I have not seen any statements where they are against raising taxes or creating new ones. All I have seen is that they want to eliminate the SBT and at forums, both have talked about some sort of replacement (they differ in the details). I do not think Susan by making the statements she does in a very small mailer is being irresponsible.

sentinel said...

Susan has apparently gone sportswoman. First her NRA membership, now endorsed in a Banner letter to editor by dethroned twp super George Cullers saying she is friend of outdoors sports people, hunters, fisherman, and trappers. Hmmmmm. I suspect such outdoorsy people will be surprised by her need to increase user fees for those very activities should she get her wish and get rid of the SBT.

Jay said...

Sentinel: Boy the leaps you take.

With the current climate in the legislature, the momentum is on the side of SBT elimination. As far as I've heard, Calley and Reynolds may also consider raising fees if in office. They've signed no anti-tax pledge, nor have spoken on the license fee issue. Any responsible candidate acknowledges the need for a business tax replacement if the SBT is eliminated. Those are the stances I have heard from Calley, Reynolds (he has stated his opposition to an elimination), and Susan. Lower, Bailey (always unclear and waffling), and Trombley seem to be the ones who aren't convinced that replacement is needed.

To make the supposition that eliminating the SBT=higher fees for sportsmen cannot be supported. Of the six plans out there for SBT replacement, none have mentioned this. Could it happen??--sure. Will they increase fees on sportsmen and women to cover the SBT??--I don't think anyone can say with any certainty.

As for the comment that Susan "has gone sportswoman"...I don't see this as incoherent with any other candidates in this race. Her husband Karl hunts from what I know, and maybe she joins him. Regardless, she has not overtly pandered to the voters a la orange hunting outfit & shotgun like Calley and Lower have.

Susan is a quality candidate. She is actually making quality moves (and spending money) in this race and that is probably scaring some folks whose candidate isn't spending that much, or isn't that well known. I guess that explains the sudden surge of rants (some vulgar)about her on here.

I do admit she is one of two candidates I am considering on voting for. Reynolds is the other. With me it's about chemistry. I am torn on who I think could go into Lansing, be effective (play well with others)and represent the area, without being beholden to particular interests. Depending on the day, I am attracted to Reynolds Milliken-esque style. But alas, this legislature is no friend to moderates (e.g. Lorence Wenke). Also, each time I have seen Brian, he cannot seem to come out of his shell. I have no doubt that he is as personable as others claim on here--but I have yet to really see it. I thought I saw a glimpse during the second half of the Barry forum, but his brevity for the first half has me scratching my head.

I see Susan fitting in where Reynolds can't. She'll deliberate and find solutions, while working within this current legislative framework.

On the other question: Do we really need to dump the SBT? No, our lack of diversifying our economy has hurt us more. However, the SBT is a blight on manufacturing (the economy we have), thus L. Brooks Patterson's campaign for elimination. I would have loved to see a replacement on the proposal, but like Proposal A, proponents want the legislature to figure out the solution after they kill the SBT.

The solution the legislature came up with after the passage with Proposal A wasn't a universal panacea, but it did lessen the burden of the yoke on taxpayers. I doubt the legislature will come close to a Prop A solution now that term limits have set in, but the train of SBT elimination is barreling down the track. Who will be the 87th's conductor on this journey?

That's what I and other voters have to decide on Tuesday.

sentinel said...

But JayJay, Susie did pander to sports nuts by using her NRA membership as a campaign mantra. Your disingenuous argument saying because her husband hunts makes her a hunter...talk about a leap. The letter to the editor was blatant pandering. SuzyQ did not offer one solution to any of the state's problems, but more of the same rhetoric that is being spewed across the state by candidates from both parties. As the old lady asked "Where's the beef"?? How on earth can you reconcile a 4 billion dollar deficit (2 billion out of the gate on Jan 1 and another 2 billion if the SBT goes down) without increasing user fees, such as hunting/ fishing fees and program cuts, such as wildlife and fisheries habitat management and restocking programs. Get a #$%^ grip on reality. Let em sign their anti-tax commitment. But be prepared. As Reynolds argued, what company will want to move their corporate staff to a state with high taxes AND a poor infrastructure. We'll see another trail of tears but this time people will be moving out of Michigan to Oklahoma and Arkansas. The exodus has begun.

el grillo said...

You will see the State revived and resume its economic health when the largest employer in the state begins to hire and employ more workers. Who is this great savior, you might ask? Before Ford, there was Edison, and before that a whole mass of individual entrepreneurs. They worked out of garages and didn't have air-conditioned high-rise offices. They are still out there. Try not to get in their way. Pass all the laws you want, but don't fund the enforcement. We will do just fine.

Boggsone said...

What are you smokin?

truthfulpat said...

Susan's latest mailer this week clearly disqualifies her from any serious consideration.
She promises more road money, no more unfunded mandates and slashing taxes. If she were not well educated one might think she is just stupid. But no! She is, like everybody but Reynolds in that she promises more services and tax slashing.
I for one am not about to fund her health insurance for life after she has served six years in the legislature . Nope.
Susan thinks that public education is the enemy. Her private school education was much less costly because it did not serve special needs children or offer the many services public schools must provide.
No candidate who is hostile to public schools (controled locally) can possibly serve well.
As for fitting in, she will be a sheep and will dutifully behavee just as the rest of her caucus does...another paid lacky of the powerful special interests.

Jay said...

Sentinel: Listing an NRA membership qualifies as a mantra? please. I see that as showing commonality without being patronizing. Not sure where you're coming up with 4 billion. SFA projections of revenue shortfalls haven't even approached that and the SBT generates about 1.7 billion. She and others have talked about replacement of the SBT with a fairer business tax. Even if one were to accept your assertion of 4 billion, raising user fees is a drop in the bucket.

As for being hostile to public schools, I wouldn't go that far. She doesn't have the "MEA stamp", but she has not advocated vouchers (like Trombley) or a transfer of Durant funds to privates (Lower).

sentinel said...

If Susan wants to show "commonality", she should try to relate to the young housewife struggling to meet a household budget, the now unemployed factory worker who lost his dignity, the college student faced with the dim Michigan job prospects upon graduation, a senior struggling to stay afloat amid failing health and rising costs, or a small business person forced to decide between keeping an employee health program or risk bankruptcy. The NRA statement was pure demogougory and served no other purpose.

The same could be said of her RTL claim. In the same Banner, a like letter of support appeared which was about family values and RTL. Where does she stand on stem cell research? I doubt she even knows what a stem cell is! When does she believe life begins? Did she support the recent failed petition drive to define the beginning of life as conception? You know, the one RTL was opposed to because it got in the way of their political strategy! I guess RTL has no problem sacrificing human life for their bigger political strategy. Did she believe Schiavo had a right to die with dignity or should the state have made that decision for her and her family? These are serious questions which affect every Michigan citizen and will ulitmately be decided by the likes of Vlietsta, if elected. Where does she stand on these family value and true right to life issues.

Again, the SBT is sunsetted. Let it die a natural death in the next couple of years. The legislature could NEVER restructure the tax code in time to deal with the 2 billion shortfall. It will be about $1.7 million (maybe less since businesses continue to flee the state)or could be more in the unlikely event the economy picks up. It is a diminishing tax over time anyways so the per cent next year and then the next would be lower. Engler left Jennifer a $4billion deficit her first year and we've been running about $2 billion per year since. And that is WITH the SBT revenue. A large part of that is structural deficit, like the cost of paying our legislator's benefits. Susan is in cookie cutter mode by talking about expanding services and cutting taxes. Impossible. I think astute primary voters will not buy that illogical campaign rhetoric. As a township official, she did not want to risk losing that easy money called the Personal Property Tax. Yet, the personal property tax could be adjusted to stimulate investment. Just delay the tax on new equipement for one year after purchase to allow the business time to generate revenue with it. They are hit with the tax in the purchase year and must factor that cost into all new major equipment purchases. The SBT if going down. Vliestra is a panderer. She's a loser.

sentinel said...

More on SBT from kzoo gazette

http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-18/1154445638132590.xml&coll=7&thispage=2

sentinel said...

Again, Reynolds has it RIGHT. The rest of the candidates don't have a clue. The following is excerpt taken from link in previous post of kazoo gazette.

Earl Ryan, head of the Citizens Research Council of Michigan, said attracting new jobs will take more than eliminating the SBT.

``On almost any survey of what influences business decisions of where to locate, factors like educated work force and access to markets and transportation trumps lower taxes,'' Ryan said.

Jay said...

Sentinel: I guess we have to disagree on Susan's platform. I actually have read all of her materials and listened to all of her answers at each forum (WBCH, Barry, Ionia). I see an intelligent, deliberative, astute person. You obviously see her as some mindless bimbo. Maybe that's how you see all women...

sentinel said...

Jay, you are correct. I do view Susan as a mindless bimbo. I too saw her and heard her in debates, but obviously have a different take on her than you. Perhaps you are too close to her. A relative or friend perhaps?? And, please do not cast a prejudice on my thinking because you cannot adequately debate my earlier comments. That crap won't fly in this blog. In reality, I would rather vote for any female candidate whom I thought competent over a man. Let's face it, the men in power have really screwed up the world.

Jay said...

Sentinel:Your consistant misreadings and misinterpretations of Susan's positions make this a very cicular and nausiating "debate". You continue to assert that she does not advocate SBT replacement with a more fair business tax--this is not true. Bailey, Trombley and Lower want to do this, but they haven't put out a flashy mailer, so you're not angry at them. I do think you are also a bit off on your economics, but it's clear you site conjecture rather than a valid source like the HFA/SFA.

As for being "too close"...wrong again. I've met and talked with Susan, have some contacts close to her camp (as I do for all but Trombley and Lower),but I do not work for her.

Boggsone said...

Timmy, will you be dressed as the Big Chicken outside your polling place "Vote for Jim Bailey!"